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this post will use sunoo's tropical, sidereal and vedic charts! i try to explain things in a way that makes sense but some parts may be confusing if you don't know astrology lingo... anyway let's get into it.

before we start!
general keywords, terms and specific things i use as an astrologer

here are some asteroids/points that i like to pay special attention to (i won't really talk about them in this post but they're on the chart pic and can be confusing):

• north node: a point in our chart that indicates karmic purpose. regularly used in karmic astrology to discern past lives and how it plays into this life. is on an axis with the south node, which represents what we're good at naturally but eventually need to give up.
• lilith: our darkest side. represents chaos, sex appeal, magnetism and taboo topics.
• chiron: our 'wounded healer'. indicates possible traumas experienced throughout life but especially as a child.
• ceres: asteroid indicating attachment levels in relationships as well as nourishment and self-care.
• pallas: asteroid indicating our 'secret genius', aka what we may be good at without realizing. generally seen as the 'indicator of effort', pallas is associated with the signs virgo and aquarius.
• juno: asteroid of marriage and commitment.
• vesta: our sacred energy that we are encouraged to dedicate to a specific craft (think the house it falls into).
• vertex: widely considered the 'second ascendant', the vertex point only sits within the houses 5-9.

rulerships: the way a planet's energy manifests differs in each sign.
> domicile/home: the planet is comfortable here and rules this sign (or multiple signs).
> exaltation: while the planet doesn't rule this sign, it's extremely comfortable here.
> fall: the planet is at its weakest point in this sign.
> detriment: the planet is suffering/unable to manifest its energy properly in this sign.

example 1: venus
domicile: libra/taurus
exaltation: pisces
fall: virgo
detriment: aries/scorpio

example 2: sun
domicile: leo
exaltation: aries
fall: libra
detriment: aquarius

it's also important to note that i only started studying vedic astrology a few months ago, so the knowledge "used" within this post is incredibly basic - i only know so much about sunoo's vedic sun sign because it's my moon sign.

idol characteristics

so the first thing i want to get into, before i moon sign guess or rising sign guess or get into his sidereal and vedic charts, are the idol characteristics in sunoo's tropical chart. i think most people tend to associate "star quality" with fire signs (aries, leo, sagittarius), or specifically leos for their drama-filled energy, or even virgos because if you're into kpop as an astrology enthusiast you'll definitely notice the sheer amount of virgo energy in so many idols. however, it's really important to not overlook the power of having cancer and gemini in your birth chart as a performer.

a lot of idols known for their dancing and expressiveness have a mixture of these placements:
- hoshi (seventeen): gemini sun, moon, mercury, venus (retrograde), mars, possible cancer or leo rising
- taemin (shinee): cancer sun, moon, mercury (retrograde), gemini venus
- taeyong (nct): cancer sun, gemini mercury & venus
- yeji (itzy): gemini sun, mercury, venus, mars
- san (ateez): cancer sun, gemini moon
- also as an atiny i'd like to note that 7/8 of ateez are either gemini or cancer moons. stage geniuses, you get it.

in comparison, sunoo has a cancer sun, gemini mercury and gemini venus (and it's also important to note that he has a pisces mars, which manyyyy dancerdols also have lol).

but like what does it all MEAN? why does it matter that there's a clear pattern of cancer and gemini within a lot of idols known for their stage presence?

• cancer is ruled by the moon (emotions, memories, our deepest self). the moon reflects light and cancers are known for their ability to mirror others' energy levels, which gives them a sense of deceptive openness that hides their tendency to stay within their shells. also why so many cancers tend to be natural introverts. but this ability to mirror light is what makes them so fluid.
• gemini is ruled by mercury (communication, self-expression and the active mind). while cancer mirrors energy levels gemini mirrors habits - they tend to pick up on little quirks the people around them exhibit, and as an air-mercurial sign geminis are well-known and well-hated for their so-called ability to be "two-faced". imo this literally isn't a bad thing... they just know what to show other people.

so obviously a combination of cancer and gemini gives you someone who flows in and out of energies quickly. they tend to come off as moody and are quick to both become emotional and rationalize their feelings just as quickly - and their ability to take on a "mask" given to them is what makes them such great performers. they're chameleonic, and sunoo is no exception. like seriously it's not something to argue about; literally 90% of sunoo's on-stage idolsona comes from his ability to switch from cute to cool in no time!

moon & rising sign guesses as well as his tropical chart

> sunoo's moon switches from aries to taurus at 12:16pm
> the range of rising signs for aries moon sunoo are 19º pisces through 28º virgo
> the range of rising signs for taurus moon sunoo are 28º virgo through 20º pisces
> at the time of making this post my current rising guess for sunoo is libra rising with an 8th house taurus moon (12:30pm)

taurus moon sunoo is... real. at least it is to ME.

the moon exalts in taurus, meaning it's incredibly comfortable in that sign despite not actually ruling it. taurus moons are known for their sensuality, their tendency to sit in their emotions and their love for the material world and how it connects to self-care (think: food, makeup, reading, etc. all things sunoo loves, iktr). in comparison the moon isn't necessarily uncomfortable in aries, but aries moon brings a mars-like quality of action and passion to the moon's emotional expression that makes aries moons the most acts of service bitches in EXISTENCE. i'll get into this when we talk about sunoo's sidereal chart because he's a sidereal aries moon but yeah. they also tend to process their emotions in a flash and are quick to anger which contrasts the taurean tendency to 1. hold grudges and 2. exist Within their feelings.

i'm choosing libra rising for him right now as an intuitive-based guess; i absolutely think he's got a 10th house sun/saturn with a 9th house mercury/venus and an 8th house moon, and while the placidus system (dicates that your exact birth time is the beginning of your chart and determines the rest of your houses), the whole sign system (which dicates that the chart's first house will begin at 0º of the person's rising sign; i.e. i'm a 9º scorpio rising but the whole sign system would start my chart at 0º scorpio) will keep all of those placements the same anyway.

libra is a sign known for their charm. it makes sunoo ruled by venus overall (venus = love and expression), and that means his planetary chart ruler would be a 9th house gemini venus which is just... TOO REAL. the 9th house is all about personal philosophy and while gemini kind of struggles in that house (9H = sagittarius, and gemini and sagittarius are on an opposing axis formed by gemini's tendency to ask many questions vs the sagittarian tendency to contemplate deeply over a few), it makes sunoo an incredibly philosophical person. he tends to reflect deeply upon things that bother him but still manages to make split-second decisions and doesn't consider himself indecisive when it comes to the material world. he needs someone to guide him because he may become lost in his feelings (8th house taurus moon). he is seen as someone who needs to be taken care of by the public (sun conjunct saturn in the 10th house). the list goes on.

so like yeah i do think cancer sun taurus moon fits sunoo well. he lives within a world of touch (materialism; and this isn't a bad thing he just likely enjoys getting things for himself and treating himself well - anyone remember when he went on a tangent about bubble baths during the sunjay vlive?) but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a touchy person himself. i've seen a lot of people talk about how he seems to not really care about physical affection and i definitely get it... and within his chart you can see this in two different spots:

• gemini mercury and venus,
• and cancer sun conjunct saturn.

gemini is a sign ruled by the creativity and expression that comes along with communication. in western modern it's associated with the 3rd house of, again, communication, but also our siblings. our community and how we connect with those seemingly small groups of people and how we take that knowledge through the rest of our lives. gemini is essentially ruled by intellectualism, and having a gemini mercury in and of itself means you are one talkative ass person. but having a gemini mercury AND a gemini venus means your love language (venus) is ruled by the connections you can make with other people.

sunoo is an enfp and a gemini venus, and it indicates that he is someone who enjoys conversation as a love language. his favorite thing is sharing interests with people he loves, and to him rambling about what he likes at the moment without feeling uncomfortable around the person/people he's around is important in making sure he doesn't withdraw (sun conjunct saturn). because he's a cancer sun he may not be as comfortable with touchiness; cancer is represented by a crab who withdraws into its shell as soon as it is frightened, and cancers have a tendency to be reserved and uncomfortable with those who make themselves at home with them too soon.

overall sunoo isn't someone who takes his relationships lightly, and he's definitely the type to hold most people at a distance until he feels comfortable enough to Be Himself. his pisces mars also makes him prone to sickness and being perceived as weaker than he actually is.

his vedic and sidereal charts

sunoo's sidereal chart paints a VERY different picture from the first impression his tropical chart gives us. while his tropical chart gives us these placements: cancer sun, aries/taurus moon, gemini mercury, gemini venus, pisces mars, his sidereal chart gives us this:

sun: gemini
moon: aries
mercury: taurus
venus: taurus
mars: aquarius.

this is a COMPLETELY different energy than his tropical chart. it's well-known fact, however, that your sidereal chart represents who you are deep down much better than your tropical chart, and i can definitely see it with sunoo.

for one, instead of a tendency to hang back and find entertainment and gratification from himself and the material world, this sidereal chart makes sunoo someone so driven and focused that it's impossible to shake him from his goal. he has a born star quality and a natural tendency towards flashiness that makes people either love him or hate him. his energy is almost jarring (aquarius mars) by nature, and he's likely to make people uncomfortable literally just by existing. he's the type to hold grudges and hold people at an arm's length, but his venusian mercury and venus make him peace-loving by nature. his aries moon pushes him to be passionate and the easiest way to his heart is to show him that he matters; praise can sometimes be a fickle thing.

i think a lot of his sidereal chart can be pinpointed within just one aspect in his tropical. sunoo has pisces mars conjunct his uranus, which indicates disturbances throughout life. sunoo may feel like no matter what he does, he scares people off. he feels an intense need to break out of any limitations set in his life, and he has a natural allure about him that either drags people in or propels him away.

within his vedic chart, we can see that his sidereal gemini sun falls into the ardra nakshatra, which is represented by a teardrop; natives with their ego (sun) in this nakshatra tend to be quick to emotional outbursts. he takes issue with authority figures but is well liked anyways (his taurus mars in the rohini nakshatra). his aries moon in the ashwini nakshatra (represented as the first nak) makes him naturally competitive with an inclination towards spirituality and a need to always be on top.

ashwini is ruled by the south node (ketu) and therefore represents things sunoo is naturally good at (being someone of action and passion) but eventually needs to evolve from. while he's energetic and inquisitive, he needs to be able to embrace the maturity that his sidereal taurus placements demand out of him. because he has such a tight conjunction between his sun and saturn he may feel like everything about his life is a test, which can prompt feelings of loneliness, so he needs to be able to communicate with others to feel secure within his relationships.

his taurus mercury in the mrigasira nakshatra indicates that he communicates in order to figure things out about himself; he may often go to others for advice and tends to look up to specific people. he has a spontaneous energy that makes him magnetic and fun to be around, and he loves the idea of love but questions its merits within his relationships with others. he should be given freedom and be cared for in equal measure; the ideal relationship for him is simply someone who can match his caring and warm energy. while it's nice to have people different than him around, he latches onto the people who act similar to him.

okay so i'm watching i-land finally after becoming fully invested in enhypen! i was actually planning on ummm never watching it because i'm lazy but there's ~lore~ i've been missing out on, and also i was just super curious to see how good the non-enhypens were (specifically daniel). now i'm incredibly invested because like... who was expecting to see a clearly dystopian-inspired survival show?? kinda leaves you hooked no matter what type of content consumer you are

i didn't want to make a post until i finished the show but honestly i have so many brainworms that i REALLY need to get out. so i'm going to try to organize this post to the best of my ability but sorry if it seems all over the place. i'll try to start with what stood out to me within the first episode before i move into my overall ranking so far and how i feel the enhypen members are doing so far.

> note: i really want to analyze this as both an #enhypen_lover and from a logical standpoint. like... it's very clear within these first few episodes that certain members did an insane amount of growth to get into the group, but for now they are not doing well. like. at all

introduction performances

i'm not a fan of the way they allowed people to vote immediately after the performance - but i absolutely get why they did it, obviously. there's no way you can fairly judge someone who went first AFTER the last person has gone. being first (as the producers pointed out) really kind of sets you up for either failure or success, which is why seon got through with his subpar lullaby performance (and why he's continued to hang low under the radar as a performer so far).

that being said they did balance it out by allowing people to vote others into i-land even if they reached their limit of 12 people, which is why they ended up with 16 people that they had to vote out later... a smart caveat.

idk the trainee politics of this show are absolutely set up within this first episode. you're voting for who you think should be tossed out to ground/sent up to i-land IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. and that's a faulty voting system in and of itself which is pointed out multiple times throughout the episode because.... peer pressure. they really stayed raising their hands as soon as they saw someone else do it which, like, really fucked up the i-land lineup imo

anyway, my favorite performances were:
1. jay & sunghoon (nct - the 7th sense)

• this one is so self-explanatory. i'm not even saying this as a sunghoon bias!!! jayhoon worked so well together in creating the perfect vibe for this song which has been KNOWN to be a bitch when it comes to capturing the correct energy to cover it. jay brought the presence and sunghoon brought the stability. really set the stage for the rest of the performances post-seon LOL

2. jake, youngbin & sunoo (txt - crown)

• they were so smart in choosing this song imo. a lot of people sans a few groups went for dark concepts and while they could do it just fine (especially sunoo!), crown allowed them to be what they are: bright and charismatic. these three are the group of trainees that spent the least amount of time in bighit (youngbin: 4 months, jake: 9 months, sunoo: 10 months) but oh man... you couldn't tell at all. sunoo in particular did the best with his stable vocals and perfect facial expressions :] he def would've been an instant fav

3. heeseung (nct - boss)

• heeseung legendary trainee etc etc i don't even need to explain this one. his vocals were SO on point and iirc he was the first one to go up into that higher register - at least that's what i SAW because mnet fucked up the editing on these performances so fucking bad it's unreal. ANYWAY. he's got so much presence and i like him a lot

4. daniel & ej (zico - any song)

• this was like. the best possible concept choice for these two imo like again, along the lines of crown unit, daniel & ej are both bright and charismatic so it made sense that they'd go for such a fun and energy-lifting concept :] daniel stood out way more than ej though but that might just be because i already had impressions of those two

5. hanbin, niki and nicholas (super m - jopping)

• this was just good. hanbin brought the stage presence while niki brought the skill and nicholas brought... uhmm... well. anyway! niki stood out the most though. i thought niki and hanbin would go to i-land but they ended up voting hanbin and nicholas out

 personal current rankings
bold: the ones in enhypen, but i would hope that's obvious
italics: trainees sent to i-land within the first round

this current ranking is just what i've seen of them all so far! and excludes their personalities and how i vibe with them. i'll talk about that can of worms after this list. i'm really trying not to be biased here but obviously the guys in enhypen might be higher and it's for a reason - some of them have been great from the beginning.

1. jungwon
2. heeseung
3. sunghoon
4. daniel
5. k
6. geonu
7. sunoo
8. niki
9. seon
10. hanbin
11. youngbin
12. yoonwon
13. taeyong
14. ej
15. jay
16. jake
17. kyungmin
18. jaebeom
19. jimin
20. jaeho
21. taki
22. sungchul
23. nicholas

but when it comes to what i've seen of their personalities so far, the list looks a little different. i won't go through all 23 of these niggas again but basically, i would've been a sunjay + daniel stan within the first few episodes if i'd watched it as it aired. the ones i'm currently not a fan of are: k, seon, and ej. but why?

k: i'm aware the k/niki conversation about how heeseung was doing his own choreography w/out telling anyone was misconstrued (that entire mess was such a shitty display of passive-aggressiveness from desperate and clearly stressed out teenage boys, i can't), but i also just... don't vibe with this guy. he's got a strong personality that kind of makes his presence known in a group. a cool quality, sure, but only one i'll take seriously if your whole "i'm macho and can stand up to anyone" persona actually uhhh... comes through when you have a conflict in mind.

k's persona does not come through. in fact, the whole situation played out like him talking shit - seon being like wow um we should do something about this? - k being like ya sure. and, like. I GET IT. mnet's evil editing skills are almost admirable with how convincing they can be if you haven't spent the past 9 years paying attention to kpop like me. but, yknow, as logical as i'm trying to be... i already had an impression of k that wasn't very good. and he isn't helping at all to change it.

seon: i called his introduction performance subpar and i mean it. like i swear this guy only got into i-land because of PEER PRESSURE. i'm even hesitant to say that he's better than the trainees in ground because, well, we haven't gotten to see much of the grounders and their skills! besides the introduction performance which was, again, edited poorly.

anyway the real reason why i don't like this guy is because he's... conniving. that's the best word i have for him. here's the thing, though - i can respect it. he's being smart because he knows he got into i-land because he was first and stayed because there were other threats people wanted out + he was average enough.

i just don't appreciate people who aren't upfront. i'm cool about him wanting to keep his distance, but he just feels... sneaky. and i ABSOLUTELY think that's mostly mnet's editing, but his vibes are just like. not my style<3 for now. he's not even that good LOLL i wonder when he's gonna get kicked

ej: imagine trying to kick your best friend out of i-land with the sole reasoning that you've practiced with him enough and want to try practicing with other trainees. like THAT IS NOT THE POINTTT YOU FOOL it's insane. i think daniel is super clingy towards ej and the fact that he doesn't even seem to be aware ej tried to vote him out is. well. it's really shitty

anyway ej was the one sent to ground so karma bitch xx such a shitty and stupid move man what the hell

how the enhypen members are doing so far

heeseung: i actually wasn't expecting him to be so, uhhh... what's the word. he's being portrayed as both a prodigy and as someone with many flaws at the same time, which i genuinely appreciate. heeseung as an "ace" personality type is just... well, it's kind of obvious that he doesn't like the title, isn't a big fan of all the eyes on him, etc.

but he's also an out-of-the-box thinker, 100%. the way he decides to go about their second evaulation is, again, flawed but interesting - i think it would've worked out if the concept itself for the second test wasn't literally teamwork and collaboration. (for reference, he pulled a classic "cheat the system" tactic and decided that everyone should focus on themselves and their individual talents. he did this because there's an average score that can either be brought up or down by individuals who do well/poorly. a good idea in theory but the execution was terrible because the producer check-in consisted of him just getting annihilated by them like "what the hell is wrong with you" ashbhshmds god.)

however i do like him. i think he'd hover somewhere towards the upper-middle range if i watched this show as it aired.

jungwon: okay i have little to say about him i just think he's doing really well so far and he got the highest score in the first evaluation which. well. makes sense!!!! he's so cute and hardworking but he doesn't seem to be reaching out to the grounders in i-land much which is disappointing. he kind of keeps to himself is what i'm gathering

jay: oh. my. god. okay. i need a minute. i think it says way too much about me that i realized this guy is my ideal type in the middle of like episode two. DSKLFDASJKLGHSHDCHS

i just... i'm so in awe of his passion. his vocals didn't suit the ranges for parts 1-7 (and while he could've done jungwon's part i don't think he would've done it as well as jungwon did) so he had to settle for part 8, i believe? but every single time, without fail, he tried for the part. every single time they announced a part he raised his hand, even when his face was getting red and he said he felt the most humiliated he's felt since becoming a trainee.

at one point he got visibly pissed and shoved his tablet away and said "okay, i give up. that's it." and i was like babe that's valid take a back seat if you want - but then he raised his hand for the next part anyway. i admire this type of determination because it's SOOO real. it's so necessary.

jay is kind of the perfect trainee in this show? not in terms of talent, but in terms of character. he mentions that people he'll look for in i-land will be the people he feels can create an atmosphere of teamwork. he's kindhearted and talkative, but not too nice. he's blunt and seems unapologetic about his ambition. i like this trait in people much more than the trait seon displays - the upfront desire to be on top is a lot more appealing than seon's tendency to hide behind other people and use almost trickster-like methods to get his way.

i was disappointed but not surprised to see him get kicked out of i-land and pushed into ground. i also wasn't surprised at all to see him take a leadership position there alongside niki. and it's insane to me that he managed to stay poised and open-minded when the producers were essentially ripping into him in front of everyone for not wanting to do some of the complicated moves in front of them.

he's insane. he's just so insane. he would be my number one if this is how i got into enhypen, just, hands down. i'm so impressed by him so far.

jake: okayyyyyyyyyyy. well. jake is... um.

i was aware he'd be an underdog-type trainee (he's called the "icon of growth" for a reason) but i didn't expect him to do this poorly. during crown he pulled the concept off so well that he managed to stay in i-land... but only for one round. i think what killed him was the lack of preparation and training needed to learn a whole song within one week with other trainees? he very obviously struggles alongside youngbin (but jake is doing better).

another thing that ruined his chances in i-land for now: he dropped his mic pack and didn't sing the one line he had, so. that'll definitely do it.

what i find fascinating about him, though, is that you just cannot get a read on this guys' personality. like am i just being insane or is this real? i understood what everyone meant when they said niki changed as soon as i-land finished, but jake i was confused about. but fuck, man. i see it. he's an odd mixture of timid and ambitious. in episode three, he raises his hand for part 1 but puts it back down, giving it to jay. i want to see him put himself out there more. he's kind of just... hanging around right now?

sunghoon: sunghoon is someone where you can tell he'll make it no matter what LMAO i mean obviously i'm saying this as 1. a sunghoon ult and 2. someone who of course already knows the enhypen line-up, but LIKE. he just has this energy that keeps your attention, even if the attention is bare minimum.

for one, he hasn't even had "his moment" yet in i-land. sunghoon is literally just a trainee vibing through these first three episodes. he's playful but serious about learning his part, and he doesn't try to shoot for the top parts. despite this, you can tell he wants to be here. i want to know when he's gonna have His Time, though. he'd be top 5 for me, probably

sunoo: i stand by my statement that i would be a sunjay + daniel stan, 1000%. sunoo is someone with a lot of fledgling star power in this show and you can tell. his mannerisms are like... i guess they're quote unquote "unique"? and the way he holds himself is with enough confidence to have people's eyes on him, even if he didn't feel comfortable taking a big part once he was in enhypen.

crown was the PERFECT song for him. it's actually insane that they voted him out in favor of jake and youngbin (all three of them should've stayed, and nicholas should've gotten kicked. that's my opinion) because he does SO WELL with the energy and charisma he brings. i know he's gonna go back down to ground and then stay there for a bit but i'm curious to see how he'll do throughout the rest of the show.

niki: fuck man. the evil-editing is real. it's insane

niki is a stubborn, hotheaded, intense and ambitious 14 year old who doesn't actively 'seem' like a maknae in the way taki and daniel do, so i'm not surprised he got picked as mnet's first target. these first three episodes have straight up been dragging him through the fucking MUD, though, and it's crazy. he can't catch a break oh my god

i think it's the rest of the team's fault for allowing niki to have part 1 when heeseung gave up that position because they didn't even bother to evaluate the kid's vocals. niki wanted part 1 because he could dance it well but, like... did everyone just. forget that part 1 also has to sing? and niki's singing is subpar. he's off-pitch, shaky and can't control his facial expressions.

that being said he still got one of the higher scores for the evaluation, right before promptly being kicked out to ground. really curious to see if they'll give him a ~character arc~ or w/e

for now, though, this is where i'll stop!!! i do want to say one more thing: i've heard that niki got more hate than ej for kicking out taki vs daniel, but here's the thing. i agree with niki. his reasoning was that he felt taki could improve more in ground, and he's right. the shit grounders say about taki being good enough/better than niki is so, so bullshit. i like taki because he's sweet, loyal and hardworking, but the simple truth: he's not that good. he has one talent and it's locking, but otherwise the hate niki got felt more like a culmination of taki being popular + niki already being evil-edited.

anyway, i'll come back with another post if i feel like i have more to say!

vague ramblings on this dude's sick as fuck chart. actually this is more just organizational nonsense so it might be hard to parse through for people who don't know astrology lingo

hongjoong's placements

🍓 3H scorpio sun [14º, taurus degree]
🍓 10H gemini moon [18º, virgo]
🍓 4H sagittarius mercury [6º, virgo]
🍓 3H scorpio venus [15º, gemini]
🍓 2H virgo mars [18º, virgo]
🍓 8H pisces jupiter [18º, virgo]
🍓 9H aries saturn [29º, leo]
🍓 23º leo rising [degree: aquarius]
🍓 1H leo north node [28º, cancer]
🍓 4H scorpio chiron [22º, capricorn]

#the_explanation

he's a scorpio sun/venus/juno/lilith in the 3rd house of communication, intellectualism and community

• sun: ego, core values
• venus: love and self-expression
• juno: maturity and marriage
• lilith: dark side, chaos, sex
• scorpio: ruled by pluto (ego death and evolution) and mars (action, anger and passion)

scorpio suns have a tendency to constantly want to evolve as people due to the plutonian influence directly on their sun which deals with the self and the ego; in the 3rd house of communication this translates to him constantly wanting to express this constant growth and change through mercurial (3H = mercury) hobbies such as writing, music etc, as well as venusian characteristics of self-expression (style). he may consider himself a more forward and social justice oriented person than most and prides himself on the work he can contribute to his community

venus struggles in scorpio due to scorpio being ruled by the planet of war, which directly contrasts venus being a planet of peace; he may struggle to express himself comfortably in his relationships, both romantic and platonic. he has difficulty differentiating between feelings of romantic interest and feelings of possessiveness. he has difficulty expressing his innermost self but expresses his sexuality comfortably due to a sun-venus sextile mars aspect. 

i consider virgo mars a good placement for dancers thanks to the mercurial influence on the planet of physicality and it shows in hongjoong's case. he's clean and expressive onstage; as a dancer the only mild issue i can find is within his sagittarius mercury in making him clumsier than most. no square aspect to mars and mercury, thankfully. that would've been nasty

a connection to make: 3H scorpio placements correlate with his gemini moon (gemini = mercury = 3H). his gemini moon is in the 10th house of public image and public concerns, which automatically shines a light onto his creative ability due to the gemini moon/3H scorpio link

he has a direct t-square, though, which sucks

• 2H virgo mars opposite 8H pisces jupiter,
• 2H virgo mars square 10H gemini moon,
• and 8H pisces jupiter square 10H gemini moon
• all occurring at 18º, the degree of virgo/mercury

it's therefore important to note that two of these placements, both major (moon/mars as opposed to jupiter) are mercury-ruled themselves. to break it down a little:

1. 2nd house: house of material possessions, physicality, sensuality, the physical world
2. 8th house: house of death, trauma, grief, debts, the occult, the spiritual world
3. 10th house: public image, the highest point in the sky, professionalism

so:
🍓 2H virgo mars: a placement that indicates deep sensuality. he is blunt and quick-witted but struggles to set limits for himself. venusian influence (2H = venus = taurus) serves to make him stubborn and a passionate lover
🍓 8H pisces jupiter: he is naturally secretive and lucky when it comes to money; he expands any business partnerships quietly and strives to make himself an equal to those above him
🍓 10H gemini moon: he is ambitious, strong-willed and unwilling to let others stop him on his path. he needs recognition for his work and will likely work towards an insatiable thirst for knowledge, enlightenment and prestige his entire life. prone to overworking himself

a t-square is a naturally tough shape in a birth chart that denotes a struggle that will reap rewards if worked on. hongjoong likely seems as though he puts his ambitions first before his relationships with people. in these relationships, he will only be able to thrive if the people he's around understand his need for independence and self-expression. despite being a powerful and strong-willed person, he has or had a tendency to lean too much into giving to others, therefore giving nothing to himself.
(i find this piece of his chart to be incredibly accurate to hongjoong's personality.
1. members have talked about how hard he casually overworks himself to achieve his goals, and
2. he's mentioned before that he's careful about making new friends because he wants to be able to have the energy to take care of them. [thanks kani for that tidbit of info])

if you look at his list of placements you'll notice a lot of degrees ruled by virgo/gemini, aka the two signs ruled by mercury. this is fairly rare due to the fact that there are so many degrees a planet can be in at any given moment. the fact that his moon, mars and jupiter all managed to line up at 18º to create an exact t-square, for example, is fascinating (most t-squares i've seen are fairly loose). but since he's such a naturally mercurial person, i'm going to talk about his sagittarius mercury in the 4th house, conjuncting his pluto, trining his uranus, and at 6º (another virgo degree).

so to break it down again

• mercury rules communication and the active mind. because it rules gemini and virgo it doesn't do well in the signs directly opposite them (sagittarius and pisces respectively), a sagittarius mercury is considered a mercury in detriment (suffering)
• 4H is all about home, personal paths and ancestry. it's the most personal house and is ruled by the moon (emotions)

the 4th house softens mercury from sharp into sincere. i like that yunho also has a 4th house mercury because it aides their synastry (which i'll talk about at some point). a 4th house mercury person is likely to pursue careers in literature, music or arts. hongjoong is secretive about his passions but sincere in his work and hopes to help people with his creations. family is incredibly important to him, and with pluto in the 4th house bringing deaths and transformations, he is someone searching for a chosen family. he thinks out of the box and likes to do things his own way. he likes to debate with the intent to expand his beliefs (jupiter-ruled mercury), but due to his more stubborn fixed sun and rising likely debates with the intent to win. 

ideas come and go for him so he will likely pause all activity to attend to one if he feels he'll profit in some way; this can manifest as him holing himself up in a space for hours in order to get every possible detail out. he likely rationalizes his own feelings too much which is particularly unhealthy for him. he should allow himself to feel, rather than rushing through issues.

he has mercury conjunct pluto, which makes him an incredibly intellectual person. he wants to know everything about whatever interests him and tends to come off strongly to others, even without trying. think a 'larger than life' presence; he commands power in a room and draws all eyes to him. he's intense, which is aided by his scorpio placements, and likely interested in social psychology of some form. he enjoys figuring people out while leaving them in the dark about his own personality, and he's naturally persuasive. a romantic interest should be careful about provoking him, because he angers easily and likely prefers someone more docile. at the same time, someone of a more hotheaded nature may be good for him as well. he just needs space, in that case.

due to the trine to uranus this is all intensified; again, there is an inclination towards intellectualism that isn't rivaled in other charts. he wants to come out on top and is willing to find unconventional routes to do so. he may consider himself 'different' from others and enjoys hanging around with people who are like him. realistic people bore him; he wants constant mental stimulation from others (poses a problem because i just mentioned he wants docile people when it comes to romantic interests lol. that's a gemini moon for you). 

uranus = aquarius = hongjoong's leo rising degree, as i mentioned (28th degree). the leo/aquarius axis is all about recognition; leos are sun-ruled and seek recognition, whereas aquarians are detrimental in the solar sphere and therefore have a tendency to shy away from the spotlight on them. leos are standouts because they embody everything people want, and aquarians are standouts because they embody everything people consider to be out of the box.

hongjoong is a natural mixture of both of these, which is sexy and all but likely causes a power struggle within himself. he wants to be recognized but wants to hide at the same time. as a result he likely exhibits erratic behavior to the people around him, and his struggles to open up may infuriate those who aren't patient with him. at the same time, though, leo risings are practically meant to be stars. they're practically meant to be artists, because expressing themselves is their main goal in life. in hongjoong's case, this is particularly intensified due to his 1st house north node in the cancer degree.

the north node is an indicator of karmic astrology. it is essentially everything we need to strive to embrace in this life, and the 1H = the self, so hongjoong needs to become comfortable in his own skin. he needs to understand that self-love is incredibly important, and so is self-care (cancer degree linking his NN to his 4H mercury and pluto). despite all of his attempts to be a social person (and his success in that regard), hongjoong is always going to drift back towards a home base of some kind. he takes deep comfort in the people who see him for what he is: a human being with flaws, even if he attempts to hide his insecurities and downfalls.

good placements for him, compatibility-wise:
🍓 anything in his 11th house, so late gemini placements and cancer placements
🍓 water moons (cancer, scorpio, pisces)
🍓 neutral mercuries
🍓 earth mars (taurus, virgo, capricorn)
🍓 fire venusians

ateez members most compatible with him: yunho, seonghwa and jongho

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