🍓💭 hongjoong's chart
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9ofcupsvague ramblings on this dude's sick as fuck chart. actually this is more just organizational nonsense so it might be hard to parse through for people who don't know astrology lingo
🍓 3H scorpio sun [14º, taurus degree]
🍓 10H gemini moon [18º, virgo]
🍓 4H sagittarius mercury [6º, virgo]
🍓 3H scorpio venus [15º, gemini]
🍓 2H virgo mars [18º, virgo]
🍓 8H pisces jupiter [18º, virgo]
🍓 9H aries saturn [29º, leo]
🍓 23º leo rising [degree: aquarius]
🍓 1H leo north node [28º, cancer]
🍓 4H scorpio chiron [22º, capricorn]
#the_explanation
he's a scorpio sun/venus/juno/lilith in the 3rd house of communication, intellectualism and community
scorpio suns have a tendency to constantly want to evolve as people due to the plutonian influence directly on their sun which deals with the self and the ego; in the 3rd house of communication this translates to him constantly wanting to express this constant growth and change through mercurial (3H = mercury) hobbies such as writing, music etc, as well as venusian characteristics of self-expression (style). he may consider himself a more forward and social justice oriented person than most and prides himself on the work he can contribute to his community
venus struggles in scorpio due to scorpio being ruled by the planet of war, which directly contrasts venus being a planet of peace; he may struggle to express himself comfortably in his relationships, both romantic and platonic. he has difficulty differentiating between feelings of romantic interest and feelings of possessiveness. he has difficulty expressing his innermost self but expresses his sexuality comfortably due to a sun-venus sextile mars aspect.
i consider virgo mars a good placement for dancers thanks to the mercurial influence on the planet of physicality and it shows in hongjoong's case. he's clean and expressive onstage; as a dancer the only mild issue i can find is within his sagittarius mercury in making him clumsier than most. no square aspect to mars and mercury, thankfully. that would've been nasty
a connection to make: 3H scorpio placements correlate with his gemini moon (gemini = mercury = 3H). his gemini moon is in the 10th house of public image and public concerns, which automatically shines a light onto his creative ability due to the gemini moon/3H scorpio link
he has a direct t-square, though, which sucks
it's therefore important to note that two of these placements, both major (moon/mars as opposed to jupiter) are mercury-ruled themselves. to break it down a little:
so:
🍓 2H virgo mars: a placement that indicates deep sensuality. he is blunt and quick-witted but struggles to set limits for himself. venusian influence (2H = venus = taurus) serves to make him stubborn and a passionate lover
🍓 8H pisces jupiter: he is naturally secretive and lucky when it comes to money; he expands any business partnerships quietly and strives to make himself an equal to those above him
🍓 10H gemini moon: he is ambitious, strong-willed and unwilling to let others stop him on his path. he needs recognition for his work and will likely work towards an insatiable thirst for knowledge, enlightenment and prestige his entire life. prone to overworking himself
a t-square is a naturally tough shape in a birth chart that denotes a struggle that will reap rewards if worked on. hongjoong likely seems as though he puts his ambitions first before his relationships with people. in these relationships, he will only be able to thrive if the people he's around understand his need for independence and self-expression. despite being a powerful and strong-willed person, he has or had a tendency to lean too much into giving to others, therefore giving nothing to himself.
(i find this piece of his chart to be incredibly accurate to hongjoong's personality.
1. members have talked about how hard he casually overworks himself to achieve his goals, and
2. he's mentioned before that he's careful about making new friends because he wants to be able to have the energy to take care of them. [thanks kani for that tidbit of info])
if you look at his list of placements you'll notice a lot of degrees ruled by virgo/gemini, aka the two signs ruled by mercury. this is fairly rare due to the fact that there are so many degrees a planet can be in at any given moment. the fact that his moon, mars and jupiter all managed to line up at 18º to create an exact t-square, for example, is fascinating (most t-squares i've seen are fairly loose). but since he's such a naturally mercurial person, i'm going to talk about his sagittarius mercury in the 4th house, conjuncting his pluto, trining his uranus, and at 6º (another virgo degree).
so to break it down again
the 4th house softens mercury from sharp into sincere. i like that yunho also has a 4th house mercury because it aides their synastry (which i'll talk about at some point). a 4th house mercury person is likely to pursue careers in literature, music or arts. hongjoong is secretive about his passions but sincere in his work and hopes to help people with his creations. family is incredibly important to him, and with pluto in the 4th house bringing deaths and transformations, he is someone searching for a chosen family. he thinks out of the box and likes to do things his own way. he likes to debate with the intent to expand his beliefs (jupiter-ruled mercury), but due to his more stubborn fixed sun and rising likely debates with the intent to win.
ideas come and go for him so he will likely pause all activity to attend to one if he feels he'll profit in some way; this can manifest as him holing himself up in a space for hours in order to get every possible detail out. he likely rationalizes his own feelings too much which is particularly unhealthy for him. he should allow himself to feel, rather than rushing through issues.
he has mercury conjunct pluto, which makes him an incredibly intellectual person. he wants to know everything about whatever interests him and tends to come off strongly to others, even without trying. think a 'larger than life' presence; he commands power in a room and draws all eyes to him. he's intense, which is aided by his scorpio placements, and likely interested in social psychology of some form. he enjoys figuring people out while leaving them in the dark about his own personality, and he's naturally persuasive. a romantic interest should be careful about provoking him, because he angers easily and likely prefers someone more docile. at the same time, someone of a more hotheaded nature may be good for him as well. he just needs space, in that case.
due to the trine to uranus this is all intensified; again, there is an inclination towards intellectualism that isn't rivaled in other charts. he wants to come out on top and is willing to find unconventional routes to do so. he may consider himself 'different' from others and enjoys hanging around with people who are like him. realistic people bore him; he wants constant mental stimulation from others (poses a problem because i just mentioned he wants docile people when it comes to romantic interests lol. that's a gemini moon for you).
uranus = aquarius = hongjoong's leo rising degree, as i mentioned (28th degree). the leo/aquarius axis is all about recognition; leos are sun-ruled and seek recognition, whereas aquarians are detrimental in the solar sphere and therefore have a tendency to shy away from the spotlight on them. leos are standouts because they embody everything people want, and aquarians are standouts because they embody everything people consider to be out of the box.
hongjoong is a natural mixture of both of these, which is sexy and all but likely causes a power struggle within himself. he wants to be recognized but wants to hide at the same time. as a result he likely exhibits erratic behavior to the people around him, and his struggles to open up may infuriate those who aren't patient with him. at the same time, though, leo risings are practically meant to be stars. they're practically meant to be artists, because expressing themselves is their main goal in life. in hongjoong's case, this is particularly intensified due to his 1st house north node in the cancer degree.
the north node is an indicator of karmic astrology. it is essentially everything we need to strive to embrace in this life, and the 1H = the self, so hongjoong needs to become comfortable in his own skin. he needs to understand that self-love is incredibly important, and so is self-care (cancer degree linking his NN to his 4H mercury and pluto). despite all of his attempts to be a social person (and his success in that regard), hongjoong is always going to drift back towards a home base of some kind. he takes deep comfort in the people who see him for what he is: a human being with flaws, even if he attempts to hide his insecurities and downfalls.
good placements for him, compatibility-wise:
🍓 anything in his 11th house, so late gemini placements and cancer placements
🍓 water moons (cancer, scorpio, pisces)
🍓 neutral mercuries
🍓 earth mars (taurus, virgo, capricorn)
🍓 fire venusians
ateez members most compatible with him: yunho, seonghwa and jongho
hongjoong's placements
🍓 3H scorpio sun [14º, taurus degree]
🍓 10H gemini moon [18º, virgo]
🍓 4H sagittarius mercury [6º, virgo]
🍓 3H scorpio venus [15º, gemini]
🍓 2H virgo mars [18º, virgo]
🍓 8H pisces jupiter [18º, virgo]
🍓 9H aries saturn [29º, leo]
🍓 23º leo rising [degree: aquarius]
🍓 1H leo north node [28º, cancer]
🍓 4H scorpio chiron [22º, capricorn]
#the_explanation
he's a scorpio sun/venus/juno/lilith in the 3rd house of communication, intellectualism and community
- sun: ego, core values
- venus: love and self-expression
- juno: maturity and marriage
- lilith: dark side, chaos, sex
- scorpio: ruled by pluto (ego death and evolution) and mars (action, anger and passion)
scorpio suns have a tendency to constantly want to evolve as people due to the plutonian influence directly on their sun which deals with the self and the ego; in the 3rd house of communication this translates to him constantly wanting to express this constant growth and change through mercurial (3H = mercury) hobbies such as writing, music etc, as well as venusian characteristics of self-expression (style). he may consider himself a more forward and social justice oriented person than most and prides himself on the work he can contribute to his community
venus struggles in scorpio due to scorpio being ruled by the planet of war, which directly contrasts venus being a planet of peace; he may struggle to express himself comfortably in his relationships, both romantic and platonic. he has difficulty differentiating between feelings of romantic interest and feelings of possessiveness. he has difficulty expressing his innermost self but expresses his sexuality comfortably due to a sun-venus sextile mars aspect.
i consider virgo mars a good placement for dancers thanks to the mercurial influence on the planet of physicality and it shows in hongjoong's case. he's clean and expressive onstage; as a dancer the only mild issue i can find is within his sagittarius mercury in making him clumsier than most. no square aspect to mars and mercury, thankfully. that would've been nasty
a connection to make: 3H scorpio placements correlate with his gemini moon (gemini = mercury = 3H). his gemini moon is in the 10th house of public image and public concerns, which automatically shines a light onto his creative ability due to the gemini moon/3H scorpio link
he has a direct t-square, though, which sucks
- 2H virgo mars opposite 8H pisces jupiter,
- 2H virgo mars square 10H gemini moon,
- and 8H pisces jupiter square 10H gemini moon
- all occurring at 18º, the degree of virgo/mercury
it's therefore important to note that two of these placements, both major (moon/mars as opposed to jupiter) are mercury-ruled themselves. to break it down a little:
- 2nd house: house of material possessions, physicality, sensuality, the physical world
- 8th house: house of death, trauma, grief, debts, the occult, the spiritual world
- 10th house: public image, the highest point in the sky, professionalism
so:
🍓 2H virgo mars: a placement that indicates deep sensuality. he is blunt and quick-witted but struggles to set limits for himself. venusian influence (2H = venus = taurus) serves to make him stubborn and a passionate lover
🍓 8H pisces jupiter: he is naturally secretive and lucky when it comes to money; he expands any business partnerships quietly and strives to make himself an equal to those above him
🍓 10H gemini moon: he is ambitious, strong-willed and unwilling to let others stop him on his path. he needs recognition for his work and will likely work towards an insatiable thirst for knowledge, enlightenment and prestige his entire life. prone to overworking himself
a t-square is a naturally tough shape in a birth chart that denotes a struggle that will reap rewards if worked on. hongjoong likely seems as though he puts his ambitions first before his relationships with people. in these relationships, he will only be able to thrive if the people he's around understand his need for independence and self-expression. despite being a powerful and strong-willed person, he has or had a tendency to lean too much into giving to others, therefore giving nothing to himself.
(i find this piece of his chart to be incredibly accurate to hongjoong's personality.
1. members have talked about how hard he casually overworks himself to achieve his goals, and
2. he's mentioned before that he's careful about making new friends because he wants to be able to have the energy to take care of them. [thanks kani for that tidbit of info])
if you look at his list of placements you'll notice a lot of degrees ruled by virgo/gemini, aka the two signs ruled by mercury. this is fairly rare due to the fact that there are so many degrees a planet can be in at any given moment. the fact that his moon, mars and jupiter all managed to line up at 18º to create an exact t-square, for example, is fascinating (most t-squares i've seen are fairly loose). but since he's such a naturally mercurial person, i'm going to talk about his sagittarius mercury in the 4th house, conjuncting his pluto, trining his uranus, and at 6º (another virgo degree).
so to break it down again
- mercury rules communication and the active mind. because it rules gemini and virgo it doesn't do well in the signs directly opposite them (sagittarius and pisces respectively), a sagittarius mercury is considered a mercury in detriment (suffering)
- 4H is all about home, personal paths and ancestry. it's the most personal house and is ruled by the moon (emotions)
the 4th house softens mercury from sharp into sincere. i like that yunho also has a 4th house mercury because it aides their synastry (which i'll talk about at some point). a 4th house mercury person is likely to pursue careers in literature, music or arts. hongjoong is secretive about his passions but sincere in his work and hopes to help people with his creations. family is incredibly important to him, and with pluto in the 4th house bringing deaths and transformations, he is someone searching for a chosen family. he thinks out of the box and likes to do things his own way. he likes to debate with the intent to expand his beliefs (jupiter-ruled mercury), but due to his more stubborn fixed sun and rising likely debates with the intent to win.
ideas come and go for him so he will likely pause all activity to attend to one if he feels he'll profit in some way; this can manifest as him holing himself up in a space for hours in order to get every possible detail out. he likely rationalizes his own feelings too much which is particularly unhealthy for him. he should allow himself to feel, rather than rushing through issues.
he has mercury conjunct pluto, which makes him an incredibly intellectual person. he wants to know everything about whatever interests him and tends to come off strongly to others, even without trying. think a 'larger than life' presence; he commands power in a room and draws all eyes to him. he's intense, which is aided by his scorpio placements, and likely interested in social psychology of some form. he enjoys figuring people out while leaving them in the dark about his own personality, and he's naturally persuasive. a romantic interest should be careful about provoking him, because he angers easily and likely prefers someone more docile. at the same time, someone of a more hotheaded nature may be good for him as well. he just needs space, in that case.
due to the trine to uranus this is all intensified; again, there is an inclination towards intellectualism that isn't rivaled in other charts. he wants to come out on top and is willing to find unconventional routes to do so. he may consider himself 'different' from others and enjoys hanging around with people who are like him. realistic people bore him; he wants constant mental stimulation from others (poses a problem because i just mentioned he wants docile people when it comes to romantic interests lol. that's a gemini moon for you).
uranus = aquarius = hongjoong's leo rising degree, as i mentioned (28th degree). the leo/aquarius axis is all about recognition; leos are sun-ruled and seek recognition, whereas aquarians are detrimental in the solar sphere and therefore have a tendency to shy away from the spotlight on them. leos are standouts because they embody everything people want, and aquarians are standouts because they embody everything people consider to be out of the box.
hongjoong is a natural mixture of both of these, which is sexy and all but likely causes a power struggle within himself. he wants to be recognized but wants to hide at the same time. as a result he likely exhibits erratic behavior to the people around him, and his struggles to open up may infuriate those who aren't patient with him. at the same time, though, leo risings are practically meant to be stars. they're practically meant to be artists, because expressing themselves is their main goal in life. in hongjoong's case, this is particularly intensified due to his 1st house north node in the cancer degree.
the north node is an indicator of karmic astrology. it is essentially everything we need to strive to embrace in this life, and the 1H = the self, so hongjoong needs to become comfortable in his own skin. he needs to understand that self-love is incredibly important, and so is self-care (cancer degree linking his NN to his 4H mercury and pluto). despite all of his attempts to be a social person (and his success in that regard), hongjoong is always going to drift back towards a home base of some kind. he takes deep comfort in the people who see him for what he is: a human being with flaws, even if he attempts to hide his insecurities and downfalls.
good placements for him, compatibility-wise:
🍓 anything in his 11th house, so late gemini placements and cancer placements
🍓 water moons (cancer, scorpio, pisces)
🍓 neutral mercuries
🍓 earth mars (taurus, virgo, capricorn)
🍓 fire venusians
ateez members most compatible with him: yunho, seonghwa and jongho
